Monday, April 1, 2019

Update: John Talks

Still working hard. Here's what's new:
  • Cruised through all 3 notebooks of playtest notes/feedback.
  • Created a list of changes we wanted to make.
  • Deep into working through fixing and implementing those changes.

One of the biggest changes will be Devotionals. (The Blessings a hero gets because of their choice of patron god and pantheon!)
It was difficult to fit it easily into a post, so I recorded a video about them. 



Summary starts at 3:40, powers start at 5:20. I was relearning editing software, so please excuse some of the awful cuts/edits/sounds.
John out, back to work!

32 comments:

  1. Ho boy, here we go again, another update telling us that "things feel pretty close", followed by months, maybe years, of silence. Fuck this.

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    1. Yeah, generally this is exactly why we dont do updates.
      Someone asked a question, and I took some time to answer them. If thats not your cup of tea. No worries.

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    2. So you don't do updates because people who did pay money for something they didn't get are getting frustrated and voicing their frustration over you not doing updates. Yeah, nice logic there, folks. What about refunds?

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    3. Frustration is fine.
      Refunds arent really possible with a kickstarter. Although we still have money for final print and delivery in the business account, the majority of the funds went to art, dice, books that have already been paid for/printed.

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  2. Oh come on guys, after five years you're still playtesting?

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    1. We actually arent. Most recent playtest was back in June

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  3. There are a lot of angry, frustrated people here who have suppported this project through five years of delays and lapses in communication, the most recent of which is 11 months of silence since the last update. Now you post a video (on April Fool's Day, yet!), that talks more about rewrites and ideas, but you can't be bothered to address the direct questions posed to you about money pledged, rewards promised, and a progress report and/or schedule for this game. And you wonder why people are pissed off? Treat us with some respect, and you can expect it in return.

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    1. I dont wonder at all why people are pissed off. Id most likely be pissed off as well, but that doesnt really change anything about the speed at which things can be done.

      Its not that I cant be bothered to address anything. Everything has been addressed already. I can understand that you dont like "how" it was addressed in the past, but unfortunately theres nothing I can do about that. And I dont feel like me restating any of it would make you happy, right?

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    2. Also. This update is specifically BECAUSE someone asked a specific question. Just because Im not answering the questions you're asking doesnt mean Im not answering questions that some other backers are asking.

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    3. Uh...people have been asking questions for 11 months without so much as a peep. I get that it can sometimes take a little longer to fully answer a question but 11 months per question is more than a little unfair. So are your dismissive "well if that doesn't work for you, nothing I can do about it" answers, or this one where you're behaving as if you're doing people a favour by answering at all.

      The speed at which things can be done has certainly been addressed before. Things take as long as they take, when a reasonable approach is taken toward them. People are pissed off at a series of promises and an assurance that you wouldn't go dark again, followed by the promises not being kept and you going dark again. And not going dark is absolutely something you CAN do something about.

      It kind of feels like you're deliberately missing the point.

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    4. I also feel that it it worth pointing out that most of the folks here have been supportive AS LONG AS WE WERE GETTING UPDATES AND INFORMATION. The real frustration started during the first silent period, and having a second one hasn't helped anything one bit. But your "see, this is why we don't do updates" comment above shows a complete disconnect with the real reasons for the anger here.

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    5. "people have been asking questions for 11 months without a peep"

      I really dont know what you're talking about. Ive gotten a few through facebook messenger or twitter message that ive answered.
      Blog post responses are great for a few days after the posts. But after that theres gotta be better ways used to get in touch with us.

      I think there are actually several points being made. Its possible Im missing a specific one.

      I dont think "using available time to work on completing things instead of using that same time to do updates" is "going dark"

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    6. Updates and information take a LOT of time. With the massive stress of getting this done, along with the ups and downs of normal life, its very difficult to devote time to updates instead of finishing the game.

      Especially knowing that every single update will come with a flood of angry people(not necessarily you, I understand that there are some who are supportive as long as there is info. But also realize that there are some who just arent).

      And all those people will want(and I think rightfully expect) that I take the time here to answer them.

      In an ideal world. What % of my limited time working on game, would you prefer I spend on updates/questions/responses knowing that it would increase completion time significantly?

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    7. I guess addendum: Do you think everyone feels the same? And how should I go about balancing the wants of all those different people on this front?

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    8. John, go back to your last update, 11 months ago. In it, you talked about giving us info on the "Call to Adventure" as soon as you got back from a business trip. You didn't, and haven't. You have NEVER said, "follow me at x for info, I'm essentially ignoring the web site (and facebook, and twitter) from now on." And the questions I think everyone here has are the same ones: What is the status of the game? Is it ever actually coming out? What is the status of the other rewards (art, dice, novels) that people paid for? Why do you appear to be getting further from completing it instead of closer to the end? Concrete answers about what has been done with the backers' money are what we want and need at this point, not answer about game systems.

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    9. I have always tried to have some understanding about the difficulties involved in this process, and the fact that Anne doesn't come up in the discussion suggests that she is essentially sidelined and this is a solo project. If that's the case, you have my sincere condolences. But telling us we have to contact you directly for answers, or that you are "too busy" to take 10 minutes a week to say, "still here, haven't quit, not trolling you", or to sound like we have no right to ask what happened to the money we invested here on good faith 5 years ago, weĺl, that's pretty shitty. I just don't know how else to say it.

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    10. Its not nearly 10 minutes. Its laughable to think that. Writing and responding in any meaningful way takes loads of time. And as I stated above

      "Ive gotten a few through facebook messenger or twitter message that ive answered. "

      This whole post was in response to someone's question on twitter.

      Ive answered all of these questions before and the answer hasnt changed. But I can answer em again.
      game status: Same. working but not done. 800 hours or so of playtest data took a while to go through.
      Yes its coming out.
      All other rewards are made. We've posted pictures of them.
      Im not sure why it appears that way. Its always closer.
      Not gonna go through 4 years of bank stuff to find exact amounts. But as I said above, all has been paid for, including thousands in art.

      These questions might be what you need. But they arent necessarily what everyone needs. Someone who was interested asked about systems, and I responded.

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    11. Id never say you have no right to ask about anything. Never did. But the answers arent changing. Im not going anywhere. I work on it literally everyday. I dont make blog posts, but I do tweet about what Im doing about once a month. Some people dont like using twitter. And thats one of the reasons we have the sidebar to the right of this post that shares updates.

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    12. OK. Let's say you want to be more meticulous and you don't want to dash out a monthly update in ten minutes. That's fine. And fair. If you want to be thorough then that's not a bad thing.

      But it was 11 months since the last update. People have been posting their questions and concerns here fairly regularly over that time. If the answers are the same then the answers are the same. Fine. But you're saying that you didn't have ten minutes to just drop in a "Hey there. Still here and listening." post? Or a "Hey, this isn't the best place to ask your questions. I check this other source much more often, so send 'em there."?

      You ever buy anything online, or arrange for something to be posted to you? Would you be happy waiting 11 months, sitting there going "Well there's been no word, but I'm sure that just means everything is fine. I'll wait longer. It'll get here when it's here."? Or would you, fairly rightfully, go "This is something I paid for. If there's a delay in it getting to me, fair enough. But I'd at least like to be kept in contact with so I know."?

      You've written more in the last few days than you have in the 11 months prior. Maybe they took longer than 10 minutes and maybe they didn't, but it's clear that you CAN keep in touch. Even just to give the "Things are still happening, but I wanted to let you know that we haven't disappeared or forgotten you." kind of 'touch base' that drew so much appreciation when you broke radio silence the last time.

      Surely that isn't so hard to understand?

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    13. This is just not a platform that makes it easy to check in. Twitter/facebook are really just superior at those sort of short updates. And as Ive said before above. Ive updated the twitter regularly, specifically because its ALSO linked here on the sidebar.

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  4. It seems further away because it started with "production begins" and a solicitation for shipping costs nearly 5 years ago, and has since devolved to repeated delays, a silence of over a year with no communication at all, another of 11 months that just ended, issues with the health of half of the team meaning even less can get done, twitter posts talking about new systems only months ago that you "can't wait to playtest", and still absolutely zero timeline on a release. That seems "further away" to me. I don't think I'm alone.

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  5. Once again, since you never stated "for future updates, follow twitter/facebook/whatever, I don't have time to keep up the website", when the question box stopped working, the forums went away, and the last posts went unanswered (even the responses within the first few days), the overall impression was that you had walked away from the whole thing. For five years, your friends have been able to play a game I helped to pay for, while we have been given reason after reason why it just isn't done, though "it seems close." Communicating with the people who gave you their support shouldn't be an effort, or a nuisance, but you make it seem like that's exactly what you think it is.

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    1. Again. my confusion at "you disappeared for 11 months" when right beside these posts is a bar that shows twitter, where i update more than monthly.

      Calling something not an effort just seems to not understand what effort is though. Even though I have an obligation to relay info, its still definitely effort. Knowing you need to do something, even wanting to do something, doesnt change the time and energy it takes to complete it.

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    2. When you posted back in May 2018, you specifically talked about giving us more information, including the "Call to Adventure", when you came back from a business trip. You then stopped posting on the website, and answering comments here, for 11 months. You didn't follow up your post with any of the info you said you would have, and never instructed us to look elsewhere. The Twitter feed isn't new, it's always been there - how were we supposed to realize, "Oh, this is where we should look now for ALL updates?" To me, this is "11 months of silence". Stop making it out to be our fault that you changed the rules on communicating.

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  6. Personally I'm still rooting for this project. while I can't fault anyone for feeling frustrated, I understand that building a system from the ground up is huge work, especially for the first time and I would rather see the game made right rather than be a rushed mess. The last few months in gaming news concerning developers like telltale, rockstar and most recently bioware also show just how destructive crunch is and I don't want to see you go thru that. That said the months long radio silence is increadably frustrating to sit thru.

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    1. I guess what I'm trying to say is just talk to us, I'm pretty sure a lot of us will be more willing to forgive if you just let us know what is going on not these months long stretch of nothing.

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    2. Oh, don't get me wrong. I'd love to see this project succeed and come out too. My cause of irritation and concern come from the long silences and the apparent lack of understanding that those long silences upset people.

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    3. I 100% fault no one for being frustrated. Id be frustrated. I guess, again Id just urge you to check the side scrolling twitter. I make short updates regularly. Im not a blogging sort of person. It takes me ages. But tweets I can shoot off as updates much easier.

      If you hate twitter. They scroll on the side of the blog for you

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  7. I have been supportive of this project despite the difficulties and the delay since the beginning until now. Seeing the dismissive replies John made after 11 month of silence just shown that either he doesn't understand how kickstarter work or he doesn't care about his responsabilities.

    So John, you want to work without deadlines or responsabilities towards your investors? That cool. I just hope you understand this behavior is just destroying your public image. Nobody will agree to fund another project of yours and I doubt any publisher will agree to employ such unprofessional designer. So good luck for the futur.

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  8. I mean....If i didnt care, I wouldnt an entire 2nd job worth of hours, or more, on this project each week.

    Thats not a complaint, I love working on it, but I take my responsibilities very seriously. And Id rather work on it than post about working on it.

    You say good luck, but based on your previous paragraph it seems like you dont actually mean "good luck"

    Either way. No biggie. Im still workin hard. Follow along on twitter for regular updates

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