Wednesday, March 16, 2016

Calling All Kickstarter Backers!

All right, everybody, today we're skipping a full post discussing the game, because instead we're doing Big Things and hoping you'll be doing them with us!


These Hesperides are dancing and excited about it and we are, too!

If you are a Hero's Journey Kickstarter backer, we're choosing a strategy for getting you this game faster today, and we'd love for you to vote on which way you want us to do it. Head on over to the most recent KS update to see the options, and feel free to send us your thoughts whatever way makes you most comfortable (here, there, in emails, whatever!).

If you're not a backer, you won't be able to give input on that particular situation, but I'll leave you with the teaser that a new Hunter Endowment (still called Persistence, but now more encompassing for different types of Hunters!) has been tentatively approved and is in testing, so you can look forward to hearing about that in a post soon!

55 comments:

  1. Option A for me. I pledged for the physical book and when I get that in my hand I want it to have everything and I'm really anxious to play :). I can be patient because I know you guys are working hard to make everything as good as it can be.

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    1. Thanks for the input, and the confidence in us. :)

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  2. I would love A personally. Lets the backers play the current "beta" version and also give time for feedback.

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  3. I am very much for option A. A PDF is way easier to exchange and receive in an updated version than a physical book, and I would very much like my physical copy to be the best it can, but I also look immensely forward to playing!

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  4. Agreed, Option A would be my pick

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  5. Definitely Option A, no question

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  6. Ryan C (Zerogeesus)March 16, 2016 at 11:04 AM

    Option A is best for me. A counterpoint for your Cons for option A: I think that even if the Internet has this leaked to it, if this generates interest it'll be better in the long run for the game. You'll lose some business, but the next Kickstarter will have a larger base of potential backers. I of course don't know what the finances look like, so I could be mistaken.

    Plus I know that there is no need for playtesters and you guys have it covered, but I'm willing to volunteer a group anyway; we've done a few playtests now and I can see if they'd be interested. A new pair of eyes is always helpful, especially people that have no idea what the game is or how it works.

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    1. Hey, that's a point we hadn't thought of, thanks! We of course hope it doesn't leak, but it's nice to think there could be a silver lining!

      Thanks also for the playtesting offer, we may get back to you on that. :)

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  7. I would definitely go for option A. It would give us the core rules, promote discussion and feedback on the forums, enable us to make characters, and give us the chance to help tweak the final product. It would make the wait seem worthwhile, silence the "it's vapourware" critics, and not cost you guys too much time in the production of the final book. I don't like B, because I don't want the actual book to be anything less than complete when I get it, and leaving out the higher-level stuff would make it only half a book, and require me to pay again when the high-level material is ready. So, absolutely, Option A for me.

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    1. Excellent feedback, thank you. And yeah, we don't want anyone feeling like the game isn't going to materialize, so hopefully this option would help those who are worried about their investment.

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  8. Option B. I liked the preview of Ganesha and I'm eager to get my hand on some elephanty goodness. But I'll understand if i get outvoted since i tend to want no frills pdfs also.

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    1. Thanks for the input! (And we sympathize, it is hard to say no to that elephantine face.)

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    2. "gorgeous art! for i know that not all love thee as i do." i'm looking upon a beautiful llama photo will i post this, btw.

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  9. Option B, because somebody will inevitably leak the .pdf and I'm only for being a dirty filthy pirate when the maker of the product is a gigantic corporation or popular artist who could already cry themselves to sleep over a lost sale on their mattress stuffed with Benjamin Franklins.

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    1. Snort, if only. Thanks for your input, it's noted!

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  10. Option A for me. Although I'm staying with my question on whether or not I can have my money back, because I'd take that over both options by now, honestly.

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    1. Option A vote noted! Unfortunately, we can't issue refunds - just because of the way KS works, there's no way we could refund everyone because of the cut KS takes, and we can't pick and choose which backers to refund. The book's still coming, just sadly much more slowly than anticipated, and the game will be completed.

      If we weren't going to be unable to finish the project and y'all weren't getting the game, then we'd definitely have to find a way to refund you, but that isn't the case!

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  11. Mark down another one for Option A please. I am perfectly happy to be running around in Mortal land while you do the needful to fix up the higher tiers, and I really do not want the content of the final corebook to be reduced an iota.

    Speaking personally, living as I do on the other side of the world, I can't really afford to have physical books shipped over very often...in fact I am likely to only ever buy pdfs after this, so I want the corebook to be the complete Mortal to God experience I wanted when I pledged for it.

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    1. The cost of shipping for international backers is definitely something we have to take into account! Thanks for weighing in, and I hope we get a good solution for you. :)

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  12. Option A please!!! A similar RPG called Godbound has reached its Kickstarter Goals and released a Beta already. This rpg however been withholding information from the backs for months now. I have no idea how powerful the heroes or Gods can get and that nerve racking to me.

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    1. Oh, neat, I hadn't heard about them - we'll have to go check that game out! And thanks for the vote. :)

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  13. OPTION A! I'm so glad you guys are doing this because I've been muttering to Tara for months about how I wished you guys would give us this option. This is the best option, I think, because it allows us to play the game and rant and rave and generate hype on the forums again, and you guys can work on the book in peace without the hounds nipping at your heels for the last stretch of book creation.

    And we get what we backed, in its entirety, in good time. What a compromise!

    Tara backs Option B because she's worried about you two and wants you to take a vacation. :)

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    1. A few of you have been muttering that, which is why we made it an options. Glad to hear it's a good one for you! :)

      Tara is an angel, but is a vacation while worrying about outstanding system issues REALLY a vacation...?

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  14. Option A, definitely. I'm a bit biased, because I am already a playtester (Hey, Lukas here. :p ), but I would really love to be able to play the game with my friends there. I mostly play with my rpg club, so we would likely stay at mortal levels, but I've been hyped for this game since the kickstarter, and even the pdf would be a huge gift.

    Besides, I already started to translate the character sheet in french, I'm ready for it. :p

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    1. Oh, you. :) All right, vote for Option A noticed and logged!

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    2. I was thinking though : what's the state of the introduction kit, Call to Adventure?

      It might also be useful to quell the wait. And if you release the pdf for free (I speak without any knowledge of your financial state, of course) it could be a big help to bring back the hype and get tbe word out.

      Of course, that does mean further delays.

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    3. We haven't been making the CtA a priority recently since there were things that needed more immediate attention first (like the redone Augments, for example), so it would take some extra time to detour to do that. But it's a good point, we will be doing it eventually, so there may come a time when we can do and release that a little earlier! :)

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  15. So, I'm joining the massive tidal wave of support for option A, since while I like my figurative bells and whistles*, I would prefer more substance quickly.

    * While I like figurative bells and whistles, I hate literal bells and whistles.

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    1. Roger that!

      (And don't worry, the bells and whistles will be both A: still forthcoming at a later date, and B: figurative only.)

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  16. Option A please! Rather have a beta and a full book later than a half-done one now.

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  17. I would rather wait until you have completely finished the book that take the risk of leaking or worse have an unfinished book in my hands. But if I have to make a choice, I prefer the option A. A PDF can be edited and send again to the people in case some corrections are needed, that's not the case with a physical book, so I would prefer the book to be as complete as possible.
    Anyway, thank you for asking our opinion on the matter. ^^

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    1. Thanks for your input! Just to clarify, this would be a PDF with ONLY the rules and info in it - it wouldn't have artwork or a nice layout or anything, so hopefully even if it did leak, those who backed for the PDF would still get something much nicer.

      We're always glad to have input from you folks. :)

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    2. I think it leaking wouldn't actually be such a bad thing. It won't have the higher level powers, and is effectively just a 'demo.' If people like it, then they'll want the full thing, and they will have to buy it. Not that I want it to leak!

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    3. Yeah, I see your point, but that wasn't what I meant. I just wanted to point out that when you work hard on something and try to please as much people as possible, it's always a bit depressing to see it distributed without your consent.

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  18. I see that a lot of people over on the Kickstarter are voting for "Option C" - wait until the complete book is ready and get all the goodies then. I'd just like to point out, "Option A" is pretty much that exact option, with the perk of getting a Beta Test PDF early, to tide over those of us who are getting discouraged by the lengthy wait for the game. If you want to get the Whole Enchilada, you will - the PDF doesn't mean we don't get a complete game, with all the extra goodies to boot. But I mentioned in another post that we could be waiting "another 6-8 months" for the finished book, and no-one contradicted me, and I find that extremely disheartening. Having the early PDF would reinvigorate my enthusiasm, and get my creative juices flowing, and I suspect it would do the same for the other backers, and isn't that a good thing?

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    1. Couldn't have put it better myself PS...Option A is Option C, only better!

      Anne, John...I love you guys...but we've been waiting for this thing for two years now...and you guys clearly understand that or you wouldn't have offered us these options. So, please, the starter kit harms no one...if some people genuinely do not want it let them opt out of it...but NOT giving it to the people who want it, especially now after SO many of us have gotten our hopes up...it would be heartbreaking.

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    2. It seems like the main objections to Option A from the folks over at the Kickstarter are that it will add a little extra time to the finished product for us to pause and make/send out the Option A PDF (which is true, I get that) and that a few are worried about game leaks that would let non-backers play before the actual backers get their finished product. The second one we really can't control, although we hope it doesn't happen; the first one we can, but as you guys point out, there are a lot of people who really do need/want the excitement of trying things out now, and the reassurance of knowing that they haven't backed a black hole of nothingness from us. :)

      So yeah, I think it's pretty probable we won't end up with the Option C of "do nothing, keep trucking", because that's obviously what we were already doing, and we've been seeing that backers and supporters need more than that.

      (Purple, if there is one thing we have learned as new game devs, it's that we do not have a good knowledge yet of how long things will take, so we're trying not to give you timeframes, or confirm/deny timeframe guesses, until it's something concrete we know we know, like printing/shipping times.)

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    3. I think this whole experience has taught me that my dreams of designing my own RPG are probably best left in dream land, because I don't have the patience or playtest group to pull this off! :-)

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  19. I am so on option A! The campaign i'll be running will start out Mortal anyways, so this basically lets us begin playing the game with the campaign we'll be running for years to come as soon as possible. The god-level stuff is gonna take a while to reach anyways ;)

    Also as Ryan C pointed out, if the PDF leaks it might create a greater interest in the product. both for further expansions, but also for the whole book once that's done and ready.
    Exalted had a leak some way back. And it really helped breathe a fresh interest into the tired lungs! With Exalted everyone who grabbed it was a filthy-filthy pirate of course, since it was a leak, but it did do enough for their hype that i'm suspecious wether it was on purpose.

    But yes. Option A! big time!

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    1. Got your vote, thank you! And thanks for the insight into your thoughts about the rest. :)

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  20. I read over the Kickstarter comments and skimmed these. When I saw people saying option C, I was like "wtf they didn't offer an option c" until I scrolled down and saw an early comment with it. I also noticed Anne mentioning that folks here are voting A and folks there are voting C.

    I wonder if the votes for A here have something to do with no "option C" being offered in the original post.

    I'm all for option C myself, but if that's not even a real option, then A is clearly the better of the two for me. Like others have said, while I'm keen to read through it and learn how it works, it'll probably be shelved for the immediate time-being, and I'd rather have all efforts continue to be focused on finishing the darn thing.

    Perhaps editing the blog post here to mention option C would be good, unless it's not a real option.

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    1. You're right - there is technically no "option C". Someone in the Kickstarter comments suggested it and called it that, and afterward lots of other folks jumped on the bandwagon. Since the Kickstarter update is only visible to backers, everyone here should also have seen the KS update as well, so there may be some folks who didn't read the comment trail, but in general everyone should have the same info.

      As I think I said somewhere else, option C isn't a "real" option; it's heartening to see people suggesting it, since it's nice that y'all have confidence in us, but we've been hearing a lot of people needing to see something sooner rather than later, which is why we offered the A/B option at all. We're keeping track of the option C "votes", but it's likely we'll still end up doing something to tide over those who are looking for more than waiting until the end.

      (Probably option A, which seems to be pretty overwhelming, but we want to wait a few more days since there are still quite a few backers who haven't weighed in.)

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    2. Honestly, option "C" is just "status quo" - we keep working, and it's done when it's done. And I think that there are a lot of us who need a tidbit (a sop, if I remember what was thrown to Cerberus) to keep us enthusiastic and engaged. Everyone will still get "option C" anyway when the complete game is done. ☺

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    3. "I wonder if the votes for A here have something to do with no "option C" being offered in the original post."

      Speaking entirely on gut instinct here, but I doubt it...reading through all the comments, I'd hazard that most people here genuinely want A...it's a very interesting difference in viewpoints between the backers who primarily interact through Kickstarter and those who primarily interact via the blog/forums. Perhaps the former are more regular Kickstarter backers who are used to new developers misjudging timelines?

      In my mind, Option A is HJ's 'Early Access'...it gets a larger pool of beta testers, it has enough tantalizing undeveloped bits cut out that it increases hype for the finished product, and it helps give the community something to actively do beyond just cheerleading from the sidelines. As for Option C, well, that's not even really a vote dependent option, is it? Option C is going to happen regardless of what anyone votes, and everyone, A voter or C voter has more than enough confidence in you guys for that :)

      So, while I don't doubt that everyone here would hold out with you guys till the end whatever the decision, (to use a slightly more culturally appropriate version of Purple's analogy), as Sarama said to Indra, I would really like some milk and sacrificial cakes in the meantime please :)

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  21. I'm sorry so many backers are providing pressure for some results. Many of them probably only know you guys through Kickstarter, and backers do have a tendency to be antsy. I get that.

    But I've been kicking around here for quite some time and have great faith in you, John and Anne. I backed you because I support you in this endeavor, no matter how long it takes. Remember how long writing the Sky, Thunder, and Water purviews took? I do. And sure, I got kinda antsy. But holy smokes, it was worth the wait. Heck, I'm running a Scion campaign currently with a hybrid of JSR and Scion 2.0. I can say from experience, the wait is 100% completely worth it!

    I don't want to receive anything from you guys before you're ready to share. I identify with your perfectionism. I appreciate it. You guys are amazing.

    Do whatever you think is right. I'll still stick with ya. And I'm very confident I'll be happy with whatever you decide. And you know what? Thank you for giving it your all!

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    1. Actually, I'm one of those who knew John and Anne through the JSR work, and it was the quality of that work (done for free because they liked the game) that sold me on supporting the KS - I felt that work they were doing for a living would be of even more superior quality. I still feel that way, for the record - I just want something to keep my enthusiasm up for this game, which is (by their admission) taking way longer than expected. It isn't a lack of faith on my part, and never was.

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    2. Yeah, I actually think you have it backwards. It seems the people who only really know them through Kickstarter are the ones wanting Option C. The fans who have been around since JSR (excluding yourself) are all jumping for Option A. Very few of us are asking for Option B - which is just them completely abandoning the project - so we know that Option C WILL happen eventually. We just love John and Anne's work so much that we want to share in what they've created so far.

      Again, we are not asking them to abandon their project, we just want a taste!

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    3. I just want to back up what Jacob and Purple is saying. I've been around here for quite a while as well, and the ''option C'' seems to be primarily a kickstarter-backer idea.
      Most of the people who've enjoyed JSR in the past seems, as Jacob is saying, to jump on option A.

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